Arai RX7 Corsair SHARP testing - Page 3

**RodH** · 01 Jun 08, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucazade 749s

I am not disputing ARAI is good.
Thing is you crash and some one else crash at 100MPH bought crashes were different. On yours lid did great on second one not so great.
Only way to compare product is to do a test under controlled conditions where variables are chosen the same for all lids.

And you'll not be able to cater for different crash circumstances in controlled condition tests. The real world is so different to the lab, so at best the tests can only compared how different helmets fair in those tests.

**Lucazade 749s** · 01 Jun 08, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RodH

And you'll not be able to cater for different crash circumstances in controlled condition tests. The real world is so different to the lab, so at best the tests can only compared how different helmets fair in those tests.

That is correct but then it is better then not being able to compare at all now is it?

**RodH** · 01 Jun 08, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucazade 749s

That is correct but then it is better then not being able to compare at all now is it?

Depends on how realistic the tests turn out to be. If they are flawed, then it could be very misleading.........only time and more detail will tell.

**Lucazade 749s** · 01 Jun 08, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RodH

Depends on how realistic the tests turn out to be. If they are flawed, then it could be very misleading.........only time and more detail will tell.

Agreed at the end tests need to be correct.

**NedLudd** · 01 Jun 08, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rookie

I would have thought a range rover would still offer better protection than a 5 star renault. Could be wrong though.

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Originally Posted by Lucazade 749s

You are wrong Range rover gets 3 starts. You seen top gear testing them ?? Not only top gear fifth gear as well. Range rover bent in the middle, roof bent at 30MPH. You could not open the door and your legs would be smashed. 5* renault, you would walk out on your own and start swearing at range rover guy. Now cars are tested at 40MPH in old days it was 30. You are very wrong there.

Don't know or care about Range Rovers but one needs to be careful about the NCAP ratings, as comparisons between cars are only valid *within* the nine different vehicle categories they have (last time I looked). From NCAP:

"Results should only be compared within the same group. The frontal testing method mirrors a crash between two similar sized cars. Clearly a bigger car has an advantage if it hits a smaller car and Euro NCAP results can’t be used to predict the outcome of such crashes."

Put simply you'd rather be in a 3* large car than a 5* small one.

**The Rookie** · 02 Jun 08, 07:32 PM

I decided to ignore the potential controversy of the SHARP test and picked up my new Arai today.

Very happy with the service from Hein Gericke Nottingham, they ordered in all the different skull caps and cheek pads to try (I recon I have a rectangle for a head) without charge. The best fitting pads were included in the cost of the lid –can’t get that on tinternet.

Tim

**AK47** · 02 Jun 08, 08:28 PM

good for you.. they are simply the best lid about. I had 2 100+ mph accidents last year. Both of which totalled an RX7.... the worst I had was a headache..... they are simply amazing...

great choice....

**juneja** · 02 Jun 08, 11:53 PM

I bought an Arai Corsair RX7 online a couple of days ago, at some considerable saving. I've had Arai before and they fit just right.

Does anybody know, can I get service etc at Arai 5* dealers, or will they refuse because I imported the lid?

Ta,

Ravi

**Douglas** · 03 Jun 08, 06:34 AM

I hope that you imported one with an EU approval sticker, and not one from the US or Far East, which of course would not be legal here. Just in case anyone else is thinking of following Ravi, its worth checking before buying on line from abroad

**AK47** · 03 Jun 08, 06:52 AM

I maybe wrong (I normally am) butI am not sure that it is a legal issue to own and use an imported lid, I think that it is illegal to sell lids that don't have the ECE 22-05 or the older British Standard 6658. There are 2 things with the regional lids. One is, that head shapes and ergonomics vary slightly, so an Arai lid in EU may well not fit if you bought it from APAC. The bigger and regulatory aspect is for racing, in the UK you need the gold acu sticker on the helmet in order to race and helmets from elsewhere don't have these. In the US you get the Snell Dot, for example. Even so, you can take an imported helmet to the ACU and they will, if safe, affix a Gold sticker... as I have.
To the servicing aspect, I would imagine that the lifetime servicing won't be available for imported lids as a rule. However, i am sure if you took a lid to an aria autlet they'd probably do anything you needed for you anyway and they will all be able to get replacement parts for you.

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Originally Posted by Douglas

I hope that you imported one with an EU approval sticker, and not one from the US or Far East, which of course would not be legal here. Just in case anyone else is thinking of following Ravi, its worth checking before buying on line from abroad

**Douglas** · 03 Jun 08, 07:00 AM

I agree about the head shape/fit issue. I always want to try on the actual helmet that I buy, because they can vary even with the same size marking in the same shop! I have found that particularily so with Bell helmets for some reason

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I am not sure that it is a legal issue to own and use an imported lid.

As I understand it it is a legal requirement to wear an lid which carries a valid EU approval whilst riding on the road in the EU. However it would be intersting to hear from anyone with more expert knowledge if that is true.

As to racing, certainly for cars the standard is a Snell one or an old BSI one, as racing is governed internationally

**juneja** · 03 Jun 08, 05:43 PM

Blimey, I've been riding nearly twenty five years and I didn't know this, thank you.

I don't know ACU either. From your post I deduce that this is a body I can take this lid to and have it checked out for a pass or fail. Is that correct? If so where are they, or their agents, please? (I'm in London)

Thanks again, very useful info here, I may not be so mouse-happy in future.

Ravi

**AK47** · 03 Jun 08, 05:54 PM

I found this from: Clothing and weather protection : Directgov - Motoring

Safety helmets
By law you must wear a safety helmet when riding a motorcycle on the road. All helmets sold in the UK must either:
comply with British Standard Bs 6658:1985 and carry the BSI kitemark
comply with UNECE Regulation 22.05
comply with any standard accepted by a member of the European Economic Area which offers a level of safety and protection equivalent to BS 6658:1985 and carry a mark equivalent to the BSI kitemark.
Damage to helmets
If your helmet receives any serious impact you should always buy a new one. Damage won't always be visible to the naked eye. For this reason you should never buy a second-hand helmet.
Visors and goggles
A visor or goggles are vital to protect your eyes from wind, rain, insects and road dirt. All visors or goggles must comply with a British Standard and display a BSI kitemark, or they must comply with a European standard which offers a level of safety and protection at least equivalent to the British Standard and carry a mark equivalent to the BSI kitemark (ECE 22-05).
If you need glasses or contact lenses to read a numberplate at the prescribed distance then you must wear your glasses or contact lenses when you ride. You should not wear tinted glasses, visors or goggles if you are riding in the dark or conditions of poor visibility.
It is very important that you keep your visor or goggles clean. You must have a clear view of the road ahead at all times. To clean your goggles or visor wash them with warm soapy water. Do not use solvents or petrol.

**JerryXt** · 03 Jun 08, 06:24 PM

the ACU are the race governing body - you won't need to worry about them if you're not racing.

Some people have told me that you need an ACU sticker to do trackdays and that might be true for ACU trackdays,but I've never had any trouble with my Ducati Arai, which doesn't have the golld sticker for some reason. That said, I always take a helmet that has an ACU sticker just in case.

**Simon A** · 04 Jul 08, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorted

Each to their own but as I said:
3 Rules:
Fit
Fit
and Fit
Then style and budget!

I'm sure Arai are every bit as safe as other makes and if thats what fits and feels good???
If the cap (helmet) fits, wear it!

If Schuberth are comfortable and quiet... Schuberth it is!

If the Arai is good and you have the budget (some may say money to blow on a "name") why not.

D&G and Prada Jeans are probably no better than Levi's etc but hey............

I agree with SORTED, get the 'fit' right ~ pick your graphics ~ then open your wallet. I have a RX7 McCoy + George Cross ~ both are excellent helmets (for my head).

P.S wear ear plugs if it's too noisy!