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**Lucazade 749s** · 26 May 08, 12:29 PM

Where are the belt covers where are the belts on desmo?? That engine looks totally different.

**royum** · 26 May 08, 12:41 PM

Erm, gear driven cams?

**Lucazade 749s** · 26 May 08, 12:49 PM

This Desmo sounds less and less like ducati. Looks like they are dropping their years long design and tradition.

**royum** · 26 May 08, 12:56 PM

Come on Luca, belt driven, bevel driven, gear driven, what's the problem? They all come from the same place.

**Lucazade 749s** · 26 May 08, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by royum

Come on Luca, belt driven, bevel driven, gear driven, what's the problem? They all come from the same place.

That is correct but then it is a part of their history.
Example a Porsche 911 with engine in Front!!

**Pax** · 26 May 08, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucazade 749s

That is correct but then it is a part of their history.
Example a Porsche 911 with engine in Front!!

Porsche did make a car with the engine in the front and a bloody good one too.

**RodH** · 26 May 08, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pax

Porsche did make a car with the engine in the front and a bloody good one too.

Actually............in recent times they have produced 3 front engined cars (not saying they were all good mind

)...924, 944 & 928. They have also the mid engined Boxster. Although I take Luca's point, as none of them compare to the perennial 911.

**Ghost** · 26 May 08, 02:12 PM

It is still a Desmo mechanical opening and closing, how the cams are driven is just a packaging and weight exercise.

I don't know if the Desmosedici's are gear or chain driven.

**royum** · 26 May 08, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost

It is still a Desmo mechanical opening and closing, how the cams are driven is just a packaging and weight exercise.

I don't know if the Desmosedici's are gear or chain driven.

I'm sure I've read that they're gear driven, but perhaps one of the lucky few can tell us more.

**Lucazade 749s** · 26 May 08, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pax

Porsche did make a car with the engine in the front and a bloody good one too.

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Originally Posted by RodH

Actually............in recent times they have produced 3 front engined cars (not saying they were all good mind

)...924, 944 & 928. They have also the mid engined Boxster. Although I take Luca's point, as none of them compare to the perennial 911.

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Originally Posted by Ghost

It is still a Desmo mechanical opening and closing, how the cams are driven is just a packaging and weight exercise.

I don't know if the Desmosedici's are gear or chain driven.

As we all know 924,944 & 928 was a mistake not in sale any more. Boxter is a design which Porsche used in 1960 in their race cars so it is part of their history. That car was cold Spyder (I think) which BTW is lovely.

My point is this is how it starts they are giving up on what made Ducati a Ducati (big part of that history) a small piece at a time. Next production Superbike form them will have the same design as DDR16 so part of history will be gone.

**Mr.R** · 26 May 08, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucazade 749s

This Desmo sounds less and less like ducati. Looks like they are dropping their years long design and tradition.

Hi Lucas,
Having owned Ducati's since before they went to that cheap and nasty alternative to bevel driven cams...
The rubber toothed belts used for some years now.

I can't get upset when they build the most advanced motorcycle engine ever offered the the public (for road use) and then fit it with the far superior gear driven cam set up.
You're starting to sound like a stick in the mud "Fuddy Duddy" mate.
Since the start of the Ducati Motorcycle company, they have used bevels, straight cut gears, pushrods, pullrods, camchains and even built 2 Strokes, long before they turned to rubber toothed belts!
I've even seen a side valve Ducati engine in a canal narrow boat!
There was a time that the Ducatisti thought that the 'new fangled twins' weren't proper Ducati's, as they had one to many cylinders.
They've built singles, twins, even an experimental triple, across the frame fours and 2 different V Fours, before they built the latest V four.
So which part of their long design and tradition do you think that they're dropping?

Steve

**Lucazade 749s** · 26 May 08, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.R

Hi Lucas,
Having owned Ducati's since before they went to that cheap and nasty alternative to bevel driven cams...
The rubber toothed belts used for some years now.

I can't get upset when they build the most advanced motorcycle engine ever offered the the public (for road use) and then fit it with the far superior gear driven cam set up.
You're starting to sound like a stick in the mud "Fuddy Duddy" mate.
Since the start of the Ducati Motorcycle company, they have used bevels, straight cut gears, pushrods, pullrods, camchains and even built 2 Strokes, long before they turned to rubber toothed belts!
I've even seen a side valve Ducati engine in a canal narrow boat!
There was a time that the Ducatisti thought that the 'new fangled twins' weren't proper Ducati's, as they had one to many cylinders.
They've built singles, twins, even an experimental triple, across the frame fours and 2 different V Fours, before they built the latest V four.
So which part of their long design and tradition do you think that they're dropping?

Steve

Wow now you defo memorized more from their history then me. Yet I must say ignore all the experimental designs as if you do not then Honda had a L-Twin as well (not talking about VFR which is an V twin). Only all the production motorcycle together they had more of chain driven or belt driven? Yes DDR16 is a production motorcycle it was build for sale.
Honda has a VFR but most of their bikes are not V-Twins so having one from them is an exception part of their history but if dropped no one would cry much.

It also comes down to what people think when they see/hear or think about Ducati. That is dry clutch rattle, racing, for more technical minded belt driven, L-Twin and of course our favourite unreliable :P.
When you think Porsche it is 911 engine in back
When you think BMW bikes, reliable like hell.
Triumph 3 cylinders.
Tell me one think if Ducati jumped to engines like Japanese bikes (4 cylinders or more) with engine behaving like another jap bike would you know it is a Ducati from feel.

What I do not want to happen is Ducati dropping V-Twin all together and building all their future motorcycles as 4 cylinder or more. That is what makes them different. MY favourite example Porsche did not drop it when all were telling them engine in the back = bad idea and now look at them. A class in it self.

**barry** · 26 May 08, 04:44 PM

Luca, ...... the honda vfr is a v4........ the vtr is a twin....

would you believe, for all its electrical foibles, Ducati used to make electrical components...

if Ducati had not changed over time, then their bikes would not be here...

**Lucazade 749s** · 26 May 08, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by barry

Luca, ...... the honda vfr is a v4........ the vtr is a twin....

would you believe, for all its electrical foibles, Ducati used to make electrical components...

if Ducati had not changed over time, then their bikes would not be here...

Sorry I think a typo

**Pax** · 26 May 08, 04:56 PM

Laverda make combine harvesters, I am glad they dropped the big thresher on the front idea before they put their bikes on the market