A question about handling/grip.

[diamondbrit73]

Ive had a few moments when the back starts to slide!

One was at Brands on a track day in the wet! i found the limit of the tyres pretty quickly!

the other was on an R6 coming across a roundabout in the wet (with a bit of diesel thrown in!)

i ride with the balls of my feet on the pegs and you can feel the bike moving around alot better. the main thing is try not to panic and try and ride it out!

Front brake will properly low side you and throttle high side neither of which are pretty!

[rouge brute]

I've lowsided before in the dry at Snetterton and lost & recovered the back in the wet numerous times. I'd be suspicious of anyone who hasn't lost it at some point or another - well suspicious is the wrong word, slow is probably a better one

My point is that you don't ride like this intentionally and compare to it other bikes/tyres after the event. You ride within the limits 99.5% of the time and yet we talk about grip levels and tyres regularly. See what I mean?

[DucatiBen]

I think that RB above has got it pretty much nailed, on the road you dont really try to explore the limits of your tyres on purpose - it just happens sometimes and then this is always 99% unplanned. I find that letting go of the throttle can cause more grief than keeping it pinned (not Moto-GP style ) and riding through it. When its wet you can easily crack the throttle open, let the back spin up and then ride it out if in a straight line, although I would not try these kind of heroics mid-corner in the wet

RWD cars are another matter, I cant exit a round-a-bout in my old Hilux without having an 'accidental' slide

[Tush67]

Originally Posted by rouge brute

I'd be suspicious of anyone who hasn't lost it at some point or another - well suspicious is the wrong word, slow is probably a better one

Did somebody call my name ? Have you not heard of the tortoise and the hare RB ? (Or for that matter the wise bull parody: A young bull and an old bull are standing on a hill. The young bull looks down on a pasture of cows and says, "let's run down there and screw one of them cows" to which the old bull replies, "let's walk down there and screw them all".)

[bremalynchance]

I find it fairly natural when the rear steps out and it doesn't faze me at all. I think it comes from racing Moto x as a school boy and always having rwd cars as a young lad.

The theory for both cars and bikes is pretty much the same and it's all about balancing the throttle and the steering and weight distribution.

I've only been riding a Superbike for a year and have had the rear spinning up at 100mph at Snetterton aswell as a massive rear wheel slide which was caught on camera. Pic below and too be honest, I knew I had a big slide and for me it was fun but the young photographer almost wet himself with excitement ;-)

[rouge brute]

Originally Posted by bremalynchance

I find it fairly natural when the rear steps out and it doesn't faze me at all. I think it comes from racing Moto x as a school boy and always having rwd cars as a young lad.

I reckon the MotoX thing is probably it. From the offroad riding I've done, I'm very comfortable going sideways through corners and leaving the back out nailing it down a straight - couldn't bring myself to do it on a sportsbike though!

[bremalynchance]

Originally Posted by rouge brute

I reckon the MotoX thing is probably it. From the offroad riding I've done, I'm very comfortable going sideways through corners and leaving the back out nailing it down a straight - couldn't bring myself to do it on a sportsbike though!

You'll get there, it's all about gaining experience and getting used to the additional speed. Top GP riders or superbike stars don't get on a fast bike at first, they start off sliding little bikes and build up to the more powerful and faster beasts as their careers progress.

So there's your answer, get yourself a minimoto

[Grib_]

Originally Posted by bremalynchance

I've only been riding a Superbike for a year and have had the rear spinning up at 100mph at Snetterton aswell as a massive rear wheel slide which was caught on camera. Pic below and too be honest, I knew I had a big slide and for me it was fun but the young photographer almost wet himself with excitement ;-)

Sure it wasn't clutch slip

Grib - failing to see any signs of sliding

[Couchcommando]

Originally Posted by rouge brute

I've lowsided before in the dry at Snetterton and lost & recovered the back in the wet numerous times. I'd be suspicious of anyone who hasn't lost it at some point or another - well suspicious is the wrong word, slow is probably a better one

My point is that you don't ride like this intentionally and compare to it other bikes/tyres after the event. You ride within the limits 99.5% of the time and yet we talk about grip levels and tyres regularly. See what I mean?

I must be slow then as my bikes tyres rarely let go, on a trackday you hear all sorts of novices talking about sliding the bikes around. It's comical as I'm lapping 20secs quicker than them and my bikes doesn't move.

Now where's that TWO video of these sorts of people talking in the pub that then switches to the reality which is a 1mm slide as they pull off on the grass LOL

[rouge brute]

Originally Posted by Couchcommando

I must be slow then as my bikes tyres rarely let go, on a trackday you hear all sorts of novices talking about sliding the bikes around. It's comical as I'm lapping 20secs quicker than them and my bikes doesn't move.

Now where's that TWO video of these sorts of people talking in the pub that then switches to the reality which is a 1mm slide as they pull off on the grass LOL

I'm not trying to big myself up here - I've repeatedly said that it's only gone it the wet and the one time in the dry it resulted in a low side. If you don't believe it I'll show you the damage

20 secs faster than the novice group eh?

[Couchcommando]

Originally Posted by rouge brute

I'm not trying to big myself up here - I've repeatedly said that it's only gone it the wet and the one time in the dry it resulted in a low side. If you don't believe it I'll show you the damage
20 secs faster than the novice group eh?

Being generous it's prob 30-40secs at Cadwell Park, of course there will be some that aren't that much slower and some that are much slower. But still I don't slide at all as wheels are meant to be in line

[bremalynchance]

Originally Posted by Grib_

Sure it wasn't clutch slip

Grib - failing to see any signs of sliding

Probably cos you would not know a slide if it happended to you

[TP#12]

No, mine is the biggest!!

[Lucazade 749s]

Back to subject.

So what all of you are saying is you will not know until it is to late. When you will finally start feeling it you will be xx years old and will not want to ride like that any more?!

Only exception is if you have tallent (Bayliss, Stoner like tallent).


So what is that rant when some one asks "what tyres should I get" and reply is the ones that feel the best, give the best feedback for you?

I am confused








Going to get my jacket and hat and lead now

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by Lucazade 749s

Back to subject.

So what all of you are saying is you will not know until it is to late. When you will finally start feeling it you will be xx years old and will not want to ride like that any more?!

Only exception is if you have tallent (Bayliss, Stoner like tallent).


So what is that rant when some one asks "what tyres should I get" and reply is the ones that feel the best, give the best feedback for you?

I am confused








Going to get my jacket and hat and lead now

Luca you confused ............. Nah

My opinion is tyres that go further than ones confidence will allow and you don't get a moment or slide etc that is good positive feedback.