Ti Termi cans. How hot do they get?

Rob998 · 08 Feb 10, 09:58 PM

Not the pipes, the actual cans. Do they get hot enough to melt, oooohh, for the sake of argument, a set of soft panniers?

I went out for a little blat at the weekend, only 50 miles or so & felt the cans afterward & they were barely warm. Now, it was pretty cold & there was nothing stopping the heat radiating away from the cans.

Now, how hot would they get on a long fast run of 300 miles or so, in blazing June, in Europe? With a set of soft luggage insulating them from the cooling air flow?

If they do get hot enough to melt the luggage, can anyone suggest/recommend some kind of heatproof blanket that I could place in between the cans & the luggage?

I know I should be looking at a set of Ventura, but before WDW the bike needs a 12k service, new tyres, blah, blah, blah.

And Mrs Rob has laid down the law: "If. You. Are. Go. Ing. To. It. Al. Y. There. Will. Be. No. More. Bits. For. That. Bloo. Dy. Bike." Each full stop represents a firm poke in the chest with her index finger. Just to make sure I understood her correctly....

Advice gratefully received, as always!

Lissa · 08 Feb 10, 10:05 PM

We have Ti cans, Rob, and have done the 400 miles up to Scotland with soft panniers fitted without a problem. The Ti cans seem to stay very cool. Less baffling to store up the energy I suppose.

Rob998 · 08 Feb 10, 10:08 PM

Ooh, that's good news Lissa! Thanks so much!

998gsb · 08 Feb 10, 10:08 PM

In answer to your questions....

1. Hot

2. Yes 2a Dont do it..

3. Hot enough to end of with a melted gloopy messy and singed smalls at the end of the day

4. No there isn;t - Been through all the scenarios - your options are a US20 Kriega tail pack or Ventura

5. Tell her. that she should. total up. what she spends. on shoes, handbags and bottles of gunk. (each full stop denotes a firm retaliatory poke in the ribs)

6. Why do you need so much bike luggage anyway - take a back pack and chuck the rest in one of the vans going to Italy...

Lucazade 749s · 08 Feb 10, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob998

Not the pipes, the actual cans. Do they get hot enough to melt, oooohh, for the sake of argument, a set of soft panniers?

I went out for a little blat at the weekend, only 50 miles or so & felt the cans afterward & they were barely warm. Now, it was pretty cold & there was nothing stopping the heat radiating away from the cans.

Now, how hot would they get on a long fast run of 300 miles or so, in blazing June, in Europe? With a set of soft luggage insulating them from the cooling air flow?

If they do get hot enough to melt the luggage, can anyone suggest/recommend some kind of heatproof blanket that I could place in between the cans & the luggage?

I know I should be looking at a set of Ventura, but before WDW the bike needs a 12k service, new tyres, blah, blah, blah.

And Mrs Rob has laid down the law: "If. You. Are. Go. Ing. To. It. Al. Y. There. Will. Be. No. More. Bits. For. That. Bloo. Dy. Bike." Each full stop represents a firm poke in the chest with her index finger. Just to make sure I understood her correctly....

Advice gratefully received, as always!

Option 1:

Get a hidden CC.

Option 2:

Work overtime and ask to get paid for that in cash

Option 3 (not tested with TiT):

I have used the same isolation material as plumbers use to isolate hot pipes. I have glued it to the bags that were resting on termis.

Rob998 · 08 Feb 10, 10:20 PM

Bugger. Confused now.

In reply to #6, Gav, I'm planning to do my own thing on the way home, visiting family in Austria & Switzerland & maybe a flying visit to friends in Germany too, so I'll need some decent clothes (well, some fresh-ish jeans & t-shirts!). I'm trying to avoid using a backpack because the last few times I have, no matter how well I've packed it & adjusted it, I've ended up with back problems after a couple of hundred miles. Might mess around with the Oxford tail pack I already have & see what I can bodge...

Oh BTW, the TomTom is working fine now, just waiting on a set of securty Torx bits so I can dismantle the dead cradle & see what killed it!

Rob998 · 08 Feb 10, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucazade 749s

Option 1:

Get a hidden CC..

Don't try & teach your grandma to suck eggs! I have bigger plans for that card...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucazade 749s

Option 2:

Work overtime and ask to get paid for that in cash..

Royal Mail don't pay overtime in cash. In any case they're reducing overtime to a point where it's virtually non existant.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucazade 749s

Option 3 (not tested with TiT):

I have used the same isolation material as plumbers use to isolate hot pipes. I have glued it to the bags that were resting on termis.

Now that's kind of what I was thinking of, but had thought of just using it like a blanket, not glueing it to the bags

. Cheers!

Tobytyke · 09 Feb 10, 01:03 AM

Hi Rob,
Yeah they do get hot as my brittle baked glove will testify, however you could easily insulate your bags with this sort of stuff

http://www.warren.co.uk/Literature/F...20Durafelt.pdf

Incredible gear you can put a blowtorch on one side with your bare hand on the other!! Don't know how easy it is to get hold of in small pieces. If you know of any "pottery hobbyists" they might be able to help as it's often used to line the kilns.

Clive.

Red998 · 09 Feb 10, 04:49 AM

As above. I have Ti Termi's on my 998 and they get very hot especially in the summer. Best to insulate

Lissa · 09 Feb 10, 05:43 AM

Hmmm, I'd assumed all Ti cans would be the same, but obviously our JHP Ti's stay much cooler than the termi's. Maybe our luggage helps too, it doesn't get anywhere near the cans when on the bike.

Lucazade 749s · 09 Feb 10, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob998

Don't try & teach your grandma to suck eggs! I have bigger plans for that card...

Royal Mail don't pay overtime in cash. In any case they're reducing overtime to a point where it's virtually non existant.

Now that's kind of what I was thinking of, but had thought of just using it like a blanket, not glueing it to the bags

. Cheers!

I have glue it to bags for ease of use. Never forget it, will not move if bags lift at wind speed, always in correct place. I used glue and it was fine but next time I will do it properly and saw (BTW I know it is not the correct word but it is close and I need to go to sleep after night shift) it in.

The Dieselinator · 09 Feb 10, 02:39 PM

We've never had an issue with our luggage Rob, and we've covered at least 2k miles with it on. All we do is cover the seat unit with Wunda-web type stuff to save scuffing the unit.

We leave it on at fuel stops etc. It is Triumph branded luggage. The only thing I can suggest as to why they work for us, is that the backs are quite rigid so don't "form" around the cans. Either that, or 998s run hotter or the Termi cans retain more heat.

marcoantonio · 09 Feb 10, 03:07 PM

It could turn out worse than just a gloopy mess, I read an article where the author was on his way to the Elephant run, and his bags started to catch fire!
For the benefit of those not in the know the run is a mid winter, read SNOW covered European event.
I would have said if the panniers could catch and melt, in that cold, it could be bye bye to the back end, or even the whole bike, under even hotter conditions.
I think that I may have a couple of solutions, one reasonably cheap, the other not so.
1) What about a domestic kitchen fire blanket wrapped around, and secured with some wire, this can be removed and refitted whenever you like.
2) Get your wifes jewellery, and have it smelted and rolled into a thin foil like sheet, al la, Veron, I understand gold has amazing heat reflective qualities.

Now give the choices to she who must be obayed, and see what she says.

Stu2K7 · 09 Feb 10, 03:13 PM

Well quite a bit has been said here already, I too am one who's Ti Termi's get VERY hot especially during long runs and hot weather, this is more so in the warmer months.

Stu

Rob998 · 09 Feb 10, 05:41 PM

This is all excellent info, as I have come to expect from the fantastic members of this site!

I test fitted my panniers today and they are not as rigid looking as Pete & Lissa's, even after being stuffed, and they do sit on the cans somewhat.

So I'm looking to get something similar to what Tobytyke has suggested. There is a product called FiberFlect which is a self adhesive blanket rated to over 500f. I've emailed the UK agent to see if they'll sell me a m2 rather than a standard 60"x 145' roll! Handily they also sell something similar, but in non adhesive sleeve form which would be really handy to protect the bungee cords of the tail pack.