New GT1000

[Jiffer]

Originally Posted by Jiffer

With the Termis fitted and baffles IN I couldn't really discern any great difference in performance but the sound and 'performance' certainly wasn't worse than the stock cans. (Not worth the best part of 800 quid, though, IMO....)

Sorry to keep bumping my own posts, but it's bothered me having posted the above!

If you are going to run the Termis with the baffles in I wouldn't bother as I have already stated, but with them out it's a whole new ballgame and worth every penny in my book!! (Including the insurance gouge.... )

Whether or not the perceived 'improved midrange performance' is psychological or not, the bike certainly seems to go better, it definitely sounds better and I thinks it feels better - altogether a much better ride with definite shades of 'what real bikes used to be like, back in the day'...!!

If you want a clincher - I wuz filling up at the garage just now after a very pleasant ride round the lanes when a Harley 'Heritage Softail' came in with the usual crobby exhaust going. The guy got off and came over to talk to me!!! (Said he hadn't seen a GT1000 before and thought it looked like a Darmah!!) I fired it up and he grinned - it's easily as loud as his bike and a good bit crisper!!

What more could you need??

Happy again, now!!

[smith]

Well, finally had the Termingonis system fitted. I agree completely with Jiffer's comments, there is definitely an improvement in the mid-range performance, I can't comment on the top end, as the engine has not been fully run-in yet. There is also a noticeable improvement from tick-over, the bike will happily chug along at 30 mph in fourth at around 2000rpm, which it defintely couldn't do before.

As for the sound, it is beautiful, a very full booming bass, but VERY LOUD! again, this is slightly subjective, unfortunately I don't think the neighbours would disagree with my opinion!
I put the baffles back in this morning and while not as good as without them, there is still an improvement in performance over standard, but the sound levels are back to the way they are with the OE silencers. I shall have to start drilling some holes in the baffles to find a neighbour-freindly compromise

Sorry to hear Jiffer's problems with insurance, I'm with Ducati and they do not require any additional payment, although they did say if I made a claim, the insures (Equity Red Star, if I remember correctly) would only pay for the original fitment.

One othe extra I had fitted at the same time, was the DP clutch slave cylinder, this really does reduce the lever effort and well worth having if you do lots of comuting (and you're a wimp like me!)

[Black Dog]

Is there any issue with the ECU, regarding whether you run it with baffles in or out? I know this would affect a carbed bike (at least, it did on my Bandit), but does the ECU compensate, or does the installing procedure include a tweak to the ECU - perhaps a normal/hooligan switch?

[smith]

I don't think there are any issues with the ecu. The kit comes with a new ecu and a "racing" airbox cover, when the system is set up, it is done so with the baffles out. The oxygen sensor is removed and the hole plugged. I don't know anything about these new-fangled elctronics, but withiut the sensor, I can magine that the ecu has limited data to adjust the fueling if you them run the system with the baffles in. Presumably with them in the engine runs a little richer.

As I say, the subject of noise is rather subjective, and personally I think its a little loud, not helped by Termigoni stamping the silencers "for racing use only" There is an improvement with the baffles in, but definitely better without them.

I will try experimenting with the drill this weekend and see if some carefully place holes in the baffles can liberate a little more music and power.

[Rudolph Hart]

Originally Posted by Black Dog

Is there any issue with the ECU, regarding whether you run it with baffles in or out? I know this would affect a carbed bike (at least, it did on my Bandit), but does the ECU compensate, or does the installing procedure include a tweak to the ECU - perhaps a normal/hooligan switch?

Just had the Termi kit fitted to my Monster 695 at JHP. They set the bike up without the baffles in. The bike is much perkier and sounds great. Highly recommended.

[Jiffer]

Originally Posted by smith

Well, finally had the Termingonis system fitted. I agree completely with Jiffer's comments, there is definitely an improvement in the mid-range performance, I can't comment on the top end, as the engine has not been fully run-in yet. There is also a noticeable improvement from tick-over, the bike will happily chug along at 30 mph in fourth at around 2000rpm, which it defintely couldn't do before.

As for the sound, it is beautiful, a very full booming bass, but VERY LOUD! again, this is slightly subjective, unfortunately I don't think the neighbours would disagree with my opinion!
I put the baffles back in this morning and while not as good as without them, there is still an improvement in performance over standard, but the sound levels are back to the way they are with the OE silencers. I shall have to start drilling some holes in the baffles to find a neighbour-freindly compromise

Sorry to hear Jiffer's problems with insurance, I'm with Ducati and they do not require any additional payment, although they did say if I made a claim, the insures (Equity Red Star, if I remember correctly) would only pay for the original fitment.

One othe extra I had fitted at the same time, was the DP clutch slave cylinder, this really does reduce the lever effort and well worth having if you do lots of comuting (and you're a wimp like me!)

Glad you aren't disappointed - I suddenly realised that, at the price, an offhand recommendation could be seriously damaging to someone's finances if they didn't think the upgrade really worthwhile!

With the full Termi kit on the bike is definitely 'breathing better' and, as you say, mine also seems to run quite a bit better at low revs with a much better pickup from 'lugging levels'. Rolling on from about 5K in top gear is also far more rewarding!

Thank you for your commiserations about the insurance hike, Smiffy - when I got over the price jab I did the sums and it's not so bad: The extra outlay was, in fact the extra required for a fresh start (whole year) policy with the NU; ie the premium that was needed to be added to the (somewhat stingey) refund from the old policy - which (interestingly) was with Equity Red Star....

But, whilst the prices might have evened out somewhat, there's no doubt that you can get differing stories from CN - when I renewed my policy some months ago, I paid a little extra to stay with Equity Red Star as the story then (from another operative) was that they would cover 'any mods'...!! (CN today is not a patch on CN from a while back - before they were sold to Bananrama or whoever it was!)

On drilling the baffles - don't do it!

John (top man at the local Ducati stockist) said they had cut the end off the baffles on one bike (maybe not a GT1000) and the sound was louder but also that it wasn't very good! (?) I'm running with baffles out and I love the sound - makes the bike a much better ride from the 'aural feedback' aspect alone, never mind the better running mentioned above.

If you keep the revs down when you leave and arrive home, I don't think the neighbours would notice - mine don't seem to and and I also back off for vulnerable pedestrians (mums with pushchairs &c.) and have passed a number of police cars in a similar fashion and no-one has given me a look yet!

OTOH, I have also developed the knack of cracking the throttle from tickover to get a 'gunfire response' when I want..!!

(I really do need to grow up....)

In fact, we were watching the excellent 'Flyboys' BD last night and I was really relating to the sound of the WW1 plane's engines....

[Jiffer]

Originally Posted by Black Dog

Is there any issue with the ECU, regarding whether you run it with baffles in or out? I know this would affect a carbed bike (at least, it did on my Bandit), but does the ECU compensate, or does the installing procedure include a tweak to the ECU - perhaps a normal/hooligan switch?

Yes, baffles in or out do require a little tweak or at least checking - apparently 9 out of 10 bikes require very little or no adjustment, but it's better to check. I had my Termis fitted 'baffles in' and have since taken them out and I'm on a 'pop in and have it put on the computer sometime soon, but there's no rush' footing. (It mainly affects running below 2K and I gather is academic at greater engine speeds...??)

Whichever way you have them fitted, putting them in or taking them out for brief periods is of no great concern....

....is what I have been told, but please do check for yourselves!

[Black Dog]

Thanks for the responses, chaps. I'll make sure I tell the dealer I want it set up with the baffles out, if there is a choice. As to checking after fitting, I assume you mean a plug chop (or is there a more sophisticated way these days?). I did a plug chop on my 1200 Bandit after running hard with the baffles out, and it was waaaaaaaaaaay too weak. I suspect a lot of hard riding sans DB-killers would have caused some problems. Having said that, the unmuffled sound wasn't too great, so it was no real problem to run with them in. Not Termis, obviously.

You can see that I am already talking about when I have them fitted, not if. Technically, I am still deciding whether to spend the 700-odd beer tokens that I don't have on a set of Termis or an eBay trail bike to relieve the GT of winter duties.

Incidentally, before you drill any holes in the cans, it might be an idea to read the 241 posts in this thread: Gettin' More Sound Out Of the Stock GT1000's Pipes. - Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum

I have gone as far as 4x 8mm holes in each of the cans, and the sound is noticeably better - more of a roar, and a nice whiffling sound on the over-run. No noticeable difference to performance. Not sure it is worth the bother, to be honest.

[moto748]

Originally Posted by Jiffer

Where it really gets interesting is when you come to the insurance!

Right this minute I am in a series of gawd knows how many phone calls with no less than Carol Nash who have reacted to my information about having Termis fitted like I am the first person on the planet to have had it done....

Did it occur that you were the first person on the planet to own up to it?

Originally Posted by Jiffer

I have just received another call from CN who want to transfer my insurance from Equity Red Star to the NU at a further cost of ***£219.78*** despite having told me some time back that my current insurers would cover anything including 'non road-legal exhausts'...!!!

Not a happy bunny....

HTH

Ouch!

[Jiffer]

Originally Posted by Black Dog

Thanks for the responses, chaps. I'll make sure I tell the dealer I want it set up with the baffles out, if there is a choice. As to checking after fitting, I assume you mean a plug chop (or is there a more sophisticated way these days?). I did a plug chop on my 1200 Bandit after running hard with the baffles out, and it was waaaaaaaaaaay too weak. I suspect a lot of hard riding sans DB-killers would have caused some problems. Having said that, the unmuffled sound wasn't too great, so it was no real problem to run with them in. Not Termis, obviously.

No, not a plug chop - the bike needs to go on to the computer. If I've got it right, it's the bottom end of the rev range that might need setting up (slow running, tickover and response), which is nothing like prolonged high-speed work on the wrong mixture.

(It's been only so many weeks since I saw a holed piston, but that was off a '74 Trident! )

Originally Posted by Black Dog

You can see that I am already talking about when I have them fitted, not if. Technically, I am still deciding whether to spend the 700-odd beer tokens that I don't have on a set of Termis or an eBay trail bike to relieve the GT of winter duties.

If you want my opinion I'd go with the Termis and up your bike-cleaning game with a quick slosh over every time you go out in mucky weather - it's 10 months winter these days, if you had a winter bike you'd never get the GT out on the road!

I might be a bit biased here, I've currently got a GT and an MTS620 and, TBH, it's driving me nuts - my clean/ride ratios are all to ****! (It seems I've always got a dirty bike to clean whether I've just used it or not!) Plus the combined cost of keeping two bikes road legal is not to be underestimated if you are on a budget! I'm starting to seriously consider hacking back to just one bike and riding its nuts off, no matter what the weather....

[Jiffer]

Originally Posted by moto748

Did it occur that you were the first person on the planet to own up to it?

I was starting to get that impression, I must say!

When I wuz a lad, bike insurance was a luxury item* - nowadays, I wouldn't dare go out with anything on the bike that would give them any excuse to dodge a payout! It's not the bike - provided I could still walk, I could walk away from any wreck and knock it down to experince if I had to, but 3rd Party claims are summat else! (From what I can see, any Chav who can kick a ball would have no problem proving future loss of earnings of anything up to 150K per week!!)

Getting the Termis on had me answering the question 'Is there any increase in power output with Termis on the bike?' - I had to get the dealer to quote Ducati who (apprently) state 'there is no discernable increase in power, but the power delivery is improved' (or words to that effect) which I related to the CN operative and which seemed to satisfy. (It goes with my own findings - the bike does pull better with the Termis but I couldn't/wouldn't say it was any faster at the top end...??)


*And Road Tax, but let's not get into all of that!!

[Black Dog]

Originally Posted by Jiffer

If you want my opinion I'd go with the Termis and up your bike-cleaning game with a quick slosh over every time you go out in mucky weather - it's 10 months winter these days, if you had a winter bike you'd never get the GT out on the road!

Fair point. My cleaning regime is already pretty good. My ride to work is (at present) 13 miles of A-road and 200 yards of building site track, and it's the last bit that covers my bike in sh*t and ruins my day. I wash the muck off every week without fail, and often hose it down mid-week too, if it gets very bad. Sometimes it breaks my heart to see the state of my beautiful Duke after a filthy journey, and I wonder if a cheapie would be better for the worst of the weather. Also, I quite fancy a small trailie for a bit of greenlane exploration too, so I could kill two birds with one stone. But the Termis have it at the moment :-)

[smith]

Originally Posted by Jiffer

Glad you aren't disappointed - I suddenly realised that, at the price, an offhand recommendation could be seriously damaging to someone's finances if they didn't think the upgrade really worthwhile!

With the full Termi kit on the bike is definitely 'breathing better' and, as you say, mine also seems to run quite a bit better at low revs with a much better pickup from 'lugging levels'. Rolling on from about 5K in top gear is also far more rewarding!

Thank you for your commiserations about the insurance hike, Smiffy - when I got over the price jab I did the sums and it's not so bad: The extra outlay was, in fact the extra required for a fresh start (whole year) policy with the NU; ie the premium that was needed to be added to the (somewhat stingey) refund from the old policy - which (interestingly) was with Equity Red Star....

But, whilst the prices might have evened out somewhat, there's no doubt that you can get differing stories from CN - when I renewed my policy some months ago, I paid a little extra to stay with Equity Red Star as the story then (from another operative) was that they would cover 'any mods'...!! (CN today is not a patch on CN from a while back - before they were sold to Bananrama or whoever it was!)

On drilling the baffles - don't do it!

John (top man at the local Ducati stockist) said they had cut the end off the baffles on one bike (maybe not a GT1000) and the sound was louder but also that it wasn't very good! (?) I'm running with baffles out and I love the sound - makes the bike a much better ride from the 'aural feedback' aspect alone, never mind the better running mentioned above.

If you keep the revs down when you leave and arrive home, I don't think the neighbours would notice - mine don't seem to and and I also back off for vulnerable pedestrians (mums with pushchairs &c.) and have passed a number of police cars in a similar fashion and no-one has given me a look yet!

OTOH, I have also developed the knack of cracking the throttle from tickover to get a 'gunfire response' when I want..!!

(I really do need to grow up....)

In fact, we were watching the excellent 'Flyboys' BD last night and I was really relating to the sound of the WW1 plane's engines....

Aarggh! too late, I drilled the baffles, but it's ok (more by luck than judgement) just a little more sound and grunt. Thnaks for the advice though, I will stop now and just practice my stealthy technique round the neighbours.

I'm glad the insurance turned out not to be so expensive, and I definitely wouldn't bother growing up, thaats why I bought a Ducati.

[Jiffer]

Originally Posted by Black Dog

My ride to work is (at present) 13 miles of A-road and 200 yards of building site track, and it's the last bit that covers my bike in sh*t and ruins my day.

Woah! The thought of a GT splashing through building site poop is not a pleasant one - especially when the weather's bad! (See my previous remark about 10 month winters...)

My immediate reaction is a 180 turn and to say get an old hack and keep the GT for weekends, but running two bikes will 'nickel and dime' you to death and you'll never get your Termis!! (Which do change the nature of the bike quite significantly!)

It's a tricky one....

[Jiffer]

Originally Posted by smith

Aarggh! too late, I drilled the baffles, but it's ok (more by luck than judgement) just a little more sound and grunt.

Maybe drilling holes isn't as drastic as cutting the end off the baffles! (Reminds me of an incident involving a friend, a Velocette MSS and some chewing gum a long, long time ago...!!)

Originally Posted by smith

I'm glad the insurance turned out not to be so expensive, and I definitely wouldn't bother growing up, thaats why I bought a Ducati.