New GT1000

**smith** · 12 May 08, 02:20 PM

Good afternoon, I am a new member and the new owner of a GT1000. Great bike, potentially, but it has just started to run very poorly, lots of popping and banging on the overrun, occasionally stalls (fun commuting through London!) and the transmission feels very rough.

The bike was fine for the firat 2 weeks, then just went off, this seems to be a common problem with bikes in America, I wondered if anyone else has had this probelm over in the UK?

Many thanks

**triumph5ta** · 13 May 08, 11:45 AM

Hello and welcome.
When I got mine new in Aug 2006 it did the same popping on the overrun, its normal and only really goes away when the bike is really warmed up eg after 20-30 miles. Fitting Termi silencers got rid of it, I think its caused by the catalyser? Nothing to worry about anyway.

Is it brand new and has it been modified in any way? Have you ridden through heavy rain recently? The only time mine played up was when I got a thorough soaking and water got into one of the wiring blocks.

Even if not new I assume its under warranty.

Adam.

**smith** · 13 May 08, 12:24 PM

Thanks Adam, the bike is new and unmodified, unfortunately it doesn't go away, the popping and banging I can live with, its the way the engine stops occasionally whenever it feels like it that bothers me.

It has been run in the rain, but Ive checked the TPS and that was bone dry, oh well, I will try the dealers again, some owners have found that there was an "unofficial" Ducati recall on ECUs which sorted the problem, we will see...

**macca** · 13 May 08, 08:29 PM

I think there was a problem with fuel filter pipes inside the tank on some classics, try ducati.ms forums for some of the details.

**smith** · 19 May 08, 01:30 PM

Thanks for the suggestions, I didn't get any useful response from the dealers, so I decided to investgate. It seems that Ducati decided not to put the copper sealing gasket between the exhaust pipe and head on the horizontal cylinder! I've wrapped some aluminium cooking foil around the pipe (as a temporary measure) and the bike now runs beautifully!!

Problem solved

**Black Dog** · 15 Jun 08, 07:49 PM

Isn't it great when a problem is solved a) by your own efforts, and b) cheaply?

Your dealer (or whoever looked at it for you) should be ashamed.

**smith** · 24 Jun 08, 01:27 PM

yes, I'm pleased it seems to be sorted, maybe the dealers rely too much on the computer driven dianostic equipment!

**Black Dog** · 25 Jun 08, 05:47 PM

It's not the diagnostic equipment that's the problem - it's not checking the bleedin' obvious first!

**smith** · 26 Jun 08, 10:24 AM

Well, yes, I was trying to be polite!

However, I'm giving them another chance and having the DP Termigoni/ecu/air-filter system fitted in a couple of weeks (how trusting am I!)

**Black Dog** · 27 Jun 08, 02:37 PM

Make sure you let us know how you get on. Even though I can't possibly justify (or even afford) this, I'm 50/50 about whether to just go for it. I've listened to all the video clips on Youtube, and none of them sound particularly great, but then that may just be the poor quality of the sound.

If you can report back that the Termis give the proper Ducati bellow, then I'm placing an order.

**Jiffer** · 30 Jun 08, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Dog

Make sure you let us know how you get on. Even though I can't possibly justify (or even afford) this, I'm 50/50 about whether to just go for it. I've listened to all the video clips on Youtube, and none of them sound particularly great, but then that may just be the poor quality of the sound.

If you can report back that the Termis give the proper Ducati bellow, then I'm placing an order.

I have just had the full Termi kit kit fitted to my GT and can assure you the sound is much better than any YouTube I've seen/heard with the baffles out - not so good with them in.

The problem is what has been used to make the YouTube clip. If I can get it to work on a laptop, I will try to set up a proper microphone recording tomorrow and will post an mp3 on my website. (Which, of course, will only sound as good as anyone's computer setup will allow!)

Performance upgrade with the Termi kit is quite significant - the bike punches harder in the midrange and is a much more satisfying ride than with the stock cans. Again, better with the baffles out, I would say...

**Jiffer** · 01 Jul 08, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiffer

I have just had the full Termi kit kit fitted to my GT and can assure you the sound is much better than any YouTube I've seen/heard with the baffles out - not so good with them in.

The problem is what has been used to make the YouTube clip. If I can get it to work on a laptop, I will try to set up a proper microphone recording tomorrow and will post an mp3 on my website. (Which, of course, will only sound as good as anyone's computer setup will allow!)

OK, 'ere 'tis:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Both%20Bikes.mp3 (1.51 Mb)

The first sound is the GT with the Termis and the second sound is the MS620 with the stock pipes - only I cocked it up leetle bit and the Strada sound is not so loud due to me not thinking/bothering to raise the mic to the greater height of the Strada's cans, so it's a bit off-axis and therefore comparatively quieter, but you'll get the idea!!

(Jeez, it's hot and faffing about with two bikes, a laptop, mic and various cables was pulling hard on my 'CBA' cutout switch - trust me, with Termis on the 'sewing machine' sound is GONNN...!!)

Other than the rich/fruity/menacing/scary/butch sound, the full Termi kit really helps with midrange grunt - full hammer at ??? revs (no idea - I could tell you if it had the Strada's clock, but I guess 6 thru 8K) waggles my bars a tad now! (Anybody know the quick fix here?)

Anyway, let's round the job off while I'm on - if the baffles put up a struggle when you come to take them out, push them IN a bit and knock the burr off the bolt hole with a Dremel. They'll come out reet nice then! See here:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/BurrGone.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/BaffleOut.JPG

And, of course, the bike should go back on the computer if it don't run right with the baffles out - although it should really only affect things below 2K rpm.

HTH

**Black Dog** · 02 Jul 08, 05:15 PM

OK, convinced!

<checks wallet for unmelted credit cards>

Thanks for this - a really good quality recording, even on my lapdog.

**smith** · 03 Jul 08, 10:32 AM

Booked in next Tuesday for the fitting and tuning, I'll let you know how it goes I only hope its as good as Jiffer describes.

**Jiffer** · 03 Jul 08, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smith

Booked in next Tuesday for the fitting and tuning, I'll let you know how it goes I only hope its as good as Jiffer describes.

OK, that makes it all a bit more real so I'll add in some more information:

With the Termis fitted and baffles IN I couldn't really discern any great difference in performance but the sound and 'performance' certainly wasn't worse than the stock cans. (Not worth the best part of 800 quid, though, IMO....)

With the baffles OUT the sound is much improved (see/hear the recording) and I feel the 'midrange delivery' is better with there appearing to be more 'punch'. This is entirely subjective and will depend on the combination of the bike and the rider - neither of which are really created equal when it comes to the crunch, so I guess there are no guarantees at the end of the day! (As I stated in in an earlier post - if nowt else, the 'sewing machine sound' of the original cans is gone!)

Note that Ducati themselves apparently do not claim any 'discernible' increase in peak power output and only say there will be a better appearance and sound with a better midrange delivery! I believe I can attest to that myself, but reckon where the science stops and the horsesh1t continues to gallop along is up to the individual to decide!

But....

Where it really gets interesting is when you come to the insurance!

Right this minute I am in a series of gawd knows how many phone calls with no less than Carol Nash who have reacted to my information about having Termis fitted like I am the first person on the planet to have had it done and it seems to have caused some confusion/upheaval! (To put it mildy...!!)

I believe there are already a number of posts elsewhere on this subject and would strongly advise anyone to find out the insurance situation regarding themselves before having these cans fitted!!

In fact, I'd go as far as to say start here:

Ducati Motorcycle Insurance from MotorCycle Direct.

....before getting bogged down with people who have no idea what they're talking about!!! (Even cheaper through Confused.com I gather...???)

**Breaking News**

I have just received another call from CN who want to transfer my insurance from Equity Red Star to the NU at a further cost of ***£219.78*** despite having told me some time back that my current insurers would cover anything including 'non road-legal exhausts'...!!!

Not a happy bunny....

HTH