Ducati S2R 800 No More?

**Montana** · 08 Nov 07, 12:12 AM

After having a look at the UK and international sites, it's looks as though the S2R 800 has been dropped, but I can't find anything that says that anywhere.

Can someone confirm or deny this ?

Andy

**Lucazade 749s** · 08 Nov 07, 02:28 AM

That is correct. New monster 696 will have 80bhp as standard so 77bhp of S2R 800 means it is weaker but bigger? No valid reason to keep it then.
We just have to wait and see what will appear next year during summer, which models. 696 and old bigger monsters or 696 and new design bigger monsters. I just can not wait the 2008, 07 models in 2008 should be on sale as new design will be comming in. I hope atleast.

**Mini Mo** · 08 Nov 07, 08:13 AM

It was superseded by the S2R 1000 last year which used the new generation engine.

**Gilps** · 08 Nov 07, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mini Mo

It was superseded by the S2R 1000 last year which used the new generation engine.

Not quite true. They ran alongside each other this year. The S2R 800 as it was called was on this years model list.

**Mini Mo** · 08 Nov 07, 09:41 AM

Granted the new Monster S2R 1000 took its place between S2R 800 and S4R, but as the 800 is no more and the 695 kicks out the same bhp, then I think it is safe to say it has been superseded.

**Montana** · 08 Nov 07, 01:58 PM

Further to this question, do you think that there will be S2R's that will need to be sold off( hopefully a little cheaper) and also is ther any indication (not just speculation) on how much the 696 is likely to be ?

I say about the price of the 696 because at the moment for the 2008 range, it will be the 696 , S2R 1000 then the S4R versions.Currently the S2R 1000 is £6000, so hopefully the 696 will be pitched at the current 695 price of £5000.

I do like the new 696 ( I think I'm the only one that does) , but if I can get a new S2R 800 for less (seeing as they have now been phased out) because they want to make way for the 696 and they don't want older models sitting around gathering dust and losing the dealers money.Also thinking along those lines I'm also hoping that prices for exhausts may also come down for the same reason as they need to shift stock.

What do you guys think ? Do you think that I should consider an S2R 800 now or leave it nearer the time of the release of the 696 ?

My inner voice tells me to go with the S2R, as I won't suffer any new bike teething problems, plus a lower price (maybe), on the other hand I do like the look of the 696, the only thing I think the 696 is missing is a front nose piece like the current S2R's.

Andy

**Gilps** · 08 Nov 07, 02:16 PM

The S2R 800 was £6k, the S2R 1000 is/was £7k.
I'm guessing the 696 will be around £5000-£5300 to pitch it gainst the Jap stuff and keep it in line with the 695. You should be able to pick up a new S2R 800 for that kind of money. I suspect though that the newer model may hold it's price better when it comes to resale time.
Having ridden the 695, the S2R 800 and the 1000, and now owning an 800, I would say go for the 800. But that's just my choice. Try all of them and see what you think.

**Lucazade 749s** · 08 Nov 07, 03:13 PM

I pray already for the old monsters to be cheaper when 696 is released, I will then think about a new one like S2R1000.

**Mini Mo** · 08 Nov 07, 04:29 PM

Gilps, what are the main riding differences between the 800 and 1000 variants?

**Lucazade 749s** · 08 Nov 07, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mini Mo

Gilps, what are the main riding differences between the 800 and 1000 variants?

More torque, more bhp and more possibility to tune up. Oh yes you ride a 1L motorcycle

**Gilps** · 09 Nov 07, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mini Mo

Gilps, what are the main riding differences between the 800 and 1000 variants?

800
Lighter wet clutch with a kind of slipper
Engine more revvy, less torquey
Crap brakes
non-adjustable forks

1000
Heavy dry clutch
Engine has more torque but doesn't feel as quick to pick up
Better brakes
Better adjustable forks

Other than that they are essentially the same bike. The 1000 is a good bike and certainly more powerful and the DS engine is a good lump. If you are doing a lot of town work the 800 is better though because of the wet clutch. The 1000 is better value for money as for the extra £1000 your get better suspension and brakes. It has cost me £500 to improve the brakes and £120 for the forks from the 1000, plus labour to fit, for my 800, so has really cost me about the same as the 1000 but I still have a lower powered engine.
I bought my 800 before they released the 1000 and was quite cross that they hadn't put the better front end off the 1000 on to the 800.

**Montana** · 10 Nov 07, 11:41 PM

OK, going on a little from "Shall I get an new 696 or a S2R 800", I have (on purpose) gone to friends of my that aren't really interested in bikes, and asked them what I should get and shown them pictures of both.I also asked some bike riding friends to, as not to upset them.
The conclusion is the same, both the riders and non-riders preferred the look of the S2R, main comments on the 696 are the angular tank, funny headlight, and the best comment (which now re-looking at the photos I agree with) was the tank and seat don't flow together very well.
So an S2R it is, but here is the problem.

I don't have the money yet to get one, and was wondering how long it would be before the S2R was no longer made ? Any guesstimates on previous experience with Ducati and models changes would be a good indication.

Andy

**Gilps** · 11 Nov 07, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Montana

OK, going on a little from "Shall I get an new 696 or a S2R 800", I have (on purpose) gone to friends of my that aren't really interested in bikes, and asked them what I should get and shown them pictures of both.I also asked some bike riding friends to, as not to upset them.
The conclusion is the same, both the riders and non-riders preferred the look of the S2R, main comments on the 696 are the angular tank, funny headlight, and the best comment (which now re-looking at the photos I agree with) was the tank and seat don't flow together very well.
So an S2R it is, but here is the problem.

I don't have the money yet to get one, and was wondering how long it would be before the S2R was no longer made ? Any guesstimates on previous experience with Ducati and models changes would be a good indication.

Andy

I'm sure you will be able to pick up an S2R 800 for the next few months. Dealers will have one somewhere. I expect the price to drop a little too as the model becomes obsolete. Good luck with your new purchase.