How quick can a 748S go around Brands? - Page 2

**Wilf** · 12 Sep 08, 12:52 PM

The RS doesnt have a top yoke plaque. maybe he had one made for it?

**JerryXt** · 12 Sep 08, 12:58 PM

or maybe I'm just remembering it wrong!

**955SP** · 13 Sep 08, 05:00 PM

Prior to my crash at Mallory, I did 3 consecutive laps on my DD 600 monster (51ish bhp) all 59.5-59.8 (and that was in fast group on a trackday).
As the thumb timer on translogic dash (thanks to Wilf for the suppy & install) fitted to my bike keeps running having a few in a row ensured I was in the 59s, and not pressing it too early etc. That said since the crash I have only managed a 1.01.

Goes to show what a does of worry can do when it gets in the mix. I also dont get all the way round my tyre anymore.

But I will sort that out soon enough!

**Sorted** · 13 Sep 08, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Piero

Thanks for that. I can see I have a long way to go before I'm really using the bike anything like it's capable of

. Still that's the fun isn't it

Don't worry about your times.. just enjoy.. smooth is quick!
I agree with some of the others that low 50s are achievable on a 748S with us mere mortals on board.. Bike capable of sub 50secs or under with a God on board!

My pb lap on a GSXR 600 was only 1.2 sec down on my 996SPS (52.9 & 51.7)
GSXR 750 (51.8) and not tried the 1098S yet.
Anything less than 55secs is very respectable me thinks

**Streetie 748** · 05 Nov 08, 03:02 AM

managed to drag the "old whore" round in 50.2 secs with numberplate still attached... 3 things to remember...

1. on my r6 race bike the quickest i went was a 52 dead - r6 is now sold and have bought a 749R - yet to go round brands, only jerez "winter testing" hehe :-)

2. i was racing niall mckenzie on his gsxr750... good laugh he is, he took the **** out of my old bike (i pointed out it was more classic with the cagiva style logo etc etc lol)

3. i crash a lot in my quest for the limit, about 50 / 50 whether the bike survives a track day

**Cess pit** · 05 Nov 08, 07:48 AM

Last time out at Brands on a stock 848 I believe my best time was still in excess of 60 secs, probably around 63-65. And that was my best.
On the day Rizla Suzuki turned up with John Reynolds and Mr Wantanabee (spelling?)
On a pair of standard (I asked) GSXR 1000s they were creaming around well in the sub 50s, maybe 48s. John was teaching the new rider the circuit.

I guess I am just not worthy

**orange** · 06 Nov 08, 10:14 AM

A few years ago I raced MZ250's and took mine round Brands Indy in 1.04.

I was far from the quickest though a few lads were dipping well into the low-ish to mid 50's...!! Not bad for 20 year old, 30 bhp, eastern block commuters...!!

Mind you they do run proper race tyres, I had a set of Michellin Inters and WOW they are sooooooo good compared to road tyres. Got my rear-sets down at Lydden Hill circuit round the hairpin..!!

But as said before, it's a trackday, just enjoy it, learn something from every session and you will go faster...!!

orange

**blackie** · 06 Nov 08, 11:23 AM

I know one thing..It would be slow with my fat ar53 on it...

**Sorted** · 06 Nov 08, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Piero

Did a track day at Brands and was holding my own in the intermediate group. A chap who timed me said I was going around in 1:03-1:04. So what do people reckon a 748 is capable of?

P.S I'm not in any way indicating that I would ever get near such a time but I'd still like to know

The bike if set up well is capable of 50sec'ish but that would be with a VERY quick and capable rider.
I've done Brands on an RVF 400 (60Bhp) in 55.50secs and 52.9secs on a GSXR 600 (105Bhp).
Having said that on a 916SPS best I've managed is 51.7secs but that bike is capable of 48secs.
Its all about the rider, tyres, set up really. A respectable and generally decent quick lap is around 55secs on ANYTHING for us mere mortals!

**harriebird** · 12 Nov 08, 07:28 PM

i can get round in 1.03 on a chilly/dry/sunny day on my DD bike (583) and i'm normally near the back of the grid.

this year's target was to get below the minute but i think that will roll over to next year now

never mind

**Sorted** · 12 Nov 08, 08:01 PM

Nowt wrong with 1.03sec when you have what, about 55hp and a 160Kg'ish bike??

Probably nearer 60secs on an RVF 400 and high 50's on a GSXR600 or R6.. Respect

I'm sure you'll break the 1min next year, just gotta miss you braking point and realise that you actually can brake there next lap!

**Imola Duke** · 12 Nov 08, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by harriebird

i can get round in 1.03 on a chilly/dry/sunny day on my DD bike (583) and i'm normally near the back of the grid.

this year's target was to get below the minute but i think that will roll over to next year now

never mind

Harrie
I managed to do 1m3's then got down to 1m2's and eventually got into low 1m1's chasing down 2 riders.
I reckon i could get into late 59's but i haven't the goolies to pin it in and out of paddock hill. or out of clearways....prob after seeing/following Matt get ejected out of his seat

can i have a tow in 2009 ..please please

**Matt-T28** · 13 Nov 08, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Imola Duke

Harrie
I managed to do 1m3's then got down to 1m2's and eventually got into low 1m1's chasing down 2 riders.
I reckon i could get into late 59's but i haven't the goolies to pin it in and out of paddock hill. or out of clearways....prob after seeing/following Matt get ejected out of his seat

can i have a tow in 2009 ..please please

I think 57.5's is the quickest I went on the 583, but as you saw mate, I dont think there is much left after that for a 583 to be honest.

That was the closest I got to crashing all season by myself, loads of people kept jumping off in front of me though trying to catch me off guard

I think on a class A bike 54's may be possible, which is strange because I was looking at the lap times from 2007 earlier and it says that 51's were winning formula 600 races in may 2007 in good conditions. Now I would say that to win a formula 600 race you would need to be doing 48-49's. So who knows about the 748, I dont think a road bike is capable of less than 51's or even 52's given the weight of the bike but maybe with a proffesional rider on board it may break the 50's but I doubt it.
I think in race trim with the suspension fully sorted, one could break the 50 barrier with the right rider on it.

**Sorted** · 13 Nov 08, 10:24 AM

Whats the Power.. Torque and Weight of the average Class B and Class A Bikes?

**Matt-T28** · 13 Nov 08, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorted

Whats the Power.. Torque and Weight of the average Class B and Class A Bikes?

I dont know the average of the bikes but my class B bike weighs 166.5kg, has 50.8bhp and 38 ft/p of torque.

I dont know about class A bikes but i imagine the front ones are about the same weight if not lighter and some have seen 65bhp.